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Book Description submitted by the publisher SafeHaven
Many researchers is the fields of Psychology and Human Sexuality have been taking a fresh
look at the "conventional" wisdom which has been the basis for evaluation of
intergenerational male/male sexual activities. The long assumed "harm" of such
activities has failed to be supported by research, and the sociocultural
"wrongness" based on this "harm" is therefore left without any
rational basis. An extremely thorough and exhaustive paper, "A Meta-Analytic
Examination of Assumed Properties of Child Sexual Abuse Using College Samples" was
published in the July, 1998 Psychological Bulletin, the journal of the American
Psychological Association. It brought forth howls of protest from right wing radicals all
the way up to and including the United States House of Representatives, but after the
furor subsided, the paper, having been subjected to intensive examination at every level,
has been judged to be true, accurate and objective science.
Previous to this, a collection of papers by such authors as Bullough, Bernard, Schild,
Warren, Bauserman, et al., was published as "Dares to Speak", edited by Joseph
Geraci. Before that there was "Male Intergenerational Intimacy" by Brongersma.
Both of these volumes are currently in print, and are available.
The above mentioned paper and books are intended primarily for researchers, educators, and
other people knowledgeable in these areas. Therefore, I have authored a
"layman's" introductory volume, "Understanding Loved Boys and
Boylovers", which essentially covers the same premises, data, and conclusions as the
above, but which is written in mostly non technical language, with the average citizen in
mind. This book, while certainly bound to be controversial, and which espouses certain
changes in various laws, is carefully maintained within the limits of current laws, there
is nothing in it which could possibly concern any postal inspector, or which could create
any legal liability. SafeHaven Foundation Press
About the Author
I have been principal moderator on an Internet site devoted to examining these issues for
two years, and was active on another similar site for a year before that. It became
obvious very early on that the men - and a few boys - who participate in these sites are
not the stereotypical monsters that the media portrays. They are sincere, concerned,
loving human beings who simply have - and were probably born with - a sexual orientation
that is neither understood nor accepted by most others. The condemnation and reprehension
these boys and men are dealt by society are primarily the result of misinformation that
has become institutionalized over time by those who are in positions to deceive and
mislead public thinking and policy. by David Riegel
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Reviewer: Jariel from USA
As we reach the dawn of the twenty first century, boylove is seen in a similar way that
homosexuality was seen at the dawn of the twentieth century. It was seen as evil, wrong,
and labelled other such ludicrous things.
This book may be difficult for some to swallow, because it explores consentual man-boy
relationships in detail. Most people will have trouble clearing the "child
molester" mentality that has been drilled into their heads through the media all
their lives.
But I urge you to buy this book and read it with an open mind, because you may just be
pleasently surprised.
The fact of the matter is that relationships between men and boys, including sexual and
non-sexual ones, can be extrememly beneficial, enjoyable, harmless, and beatiful.
There's such a fear in society of sexual relations between an adult and a minor, when, as
this book proves, there is nothing at all wrong with them.
Enjoy this book, and try to think outside the square you live in.
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I can't believe they allow this horsecocky
to printed. There is no excuse or justification for sex with an underaged boy especially
to sodomize him. You can right fifty books and it is still degernerative and sick. It's
not even a homosexual issue. The last thing a child or young man needs is to get
butt f*cked for his own good by some older man who "loves" him. It is incredibly
ignorant to think that no damage is done and probably just a move to excuse and to
elliviate the guilt you have yourself from lusting after or even abusing some young boy.
You sick dog. I don't hate, mind you. I just think that a couple of years in a federal
prison getting your fudge packed by a guy named Mongo would be the best solution for you.
Then you can tell us if a little love from a 300 pound murderer is "helpful" to
you. Hey it's all "love" what could be better than that?
Spare us your propaganda, I don't need to hear another excuse why you want to take
advantage of children. There is also no statistical relationship between
homosexuality and pedophilia. Just because someone is gay does not make them any more
likely to be a child molester.
Next you'll be promotting the new book,
"Buggering Sheep, The Unknown Wooly Pleasure"
and tell us that the sheep likes it and therefore it isn't bad to screw an animal...its
helpful. You are the scum of the earth and I would tell you to your face if you were
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Anybody who is attracted to the same sex is a homosexual regardless of age.
The word homosexuality in the dictionairy states nothing about the person's age, just same
sex!
This is a sin!
Young kids is the 2nd part and it is also a sin.
Jesus said would be better for such to have a millstone tied around their neck and for
them to be cast into the sea!
Rob a bank with a gun. You are guilty of how many crimes. Just 1? Nope several!
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Gabi
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Shame on you, Mr. Lineberry. Have you even read the
book? Did you spend the time to look at the photographs and get to know the sweet people
who can't live in this world from hate that they have to face from people like you. They
believe they will have to deal with this hatered for the rest of their lifes from people
like you!
I find you evil, Webmaster. I believe that people like you who preach hate are very
dangerous. Shame on you!
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Charlie
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I do believe men & boys
sexual activities acts are sinful because they involve sex outside of marriage. I do not
believe a same sex attraction in and of itself is a sin! It is what someone does with that
attraction! Many Christians do not separate between identity and practice when it comes to
homosexuality. Yet, a straight virgin may still be considered heterosexual, even though he
or she has not yet participated in sex. As I said, I do distinguish between identity and
practice, which is why I say that homosexuality is
not sinful. But I suppose we could consider any statement of sexuality (identity) sinful,
since it could imply desire or lust, but I
haven't found any evidence for doing so. The implications of going so far as to call a
preference sinful are great, and would affect heterosexuals as much as homosexuals.
How about this... would you be willing to say for the
record that killing homosexuals is wrong? Or are you of a mind that Lev 20:13 applies and
that therefore such a killing is justified? How about it? |
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Jesus Christ doesn't distinguish between identity and practice???????
"That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her
already in his heart."
This man could have been & stayed a virgin his entire life yet he is guilty of
Adultry!
Or this man could be called a Homo-Adultry-Sexuality , you could argue he was born that
way, but the thoughts of his heart is the same as act of the sin and Jesus Christ says so!
Jesus Christ spends more time talking about the thoughts and intents of our hearts then he
does deeds!
Charlie you have read or heard the truth before, that much can been seen in your post but
there is something missing in them? I'm sorry but it's so clearly visiable! It's the
understanding of the truth written into your heart
by the Holy Spirit.
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his
natural face in a glass:
For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man
he was.
But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a
forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed."
Strong's Number: 1937 LUST
Transliterated: epithumeo
Phonetic: ep-ee-thoo-meh'-o
to set the heart upon,
long for (rightfully or otherwise)
covet,
desire,
would fain,
lust (after).
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Strong's Number: 2372
Transliterated: thumos
Phonetic: thoo-mos'
Text: from 2380; passion (as if breathing hard): --
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Matthew 5
28. That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust
after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."
28.
|1473| I
|1161| But
|3004| I say
|5213| to you
|3754| that
|3956| each
|3588| one
|0991| looking
|1135| at a woman
|4314| to
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|1937| lust after
|0846| her
|2235| already has
|3431| committed adultery
|0846| with her
|1722| in
|3588| the
|2588| heart
|0846| of him.
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Strong's Number: 3431 committed adultery
Transliterated: moicheuo
Phonetic: moy-khyoo'-o
Text: from 3432; to commit adultery: --commit adultery.
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Strong's Number: 1937 lust after
Transliterated: epithumeo
Phonetic: ep-ee-thoo-meh'-o
Text: from 1909 and 2372; to set the heart upon, i.e. long for (rightfully or otherwise):
--covet, desire, would fain, lust (after).
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Strong's Number: 2588 heart
Transliterated: kardia
Phonetic: kar-dee'-ah
Text: prolonged from a primary kar (Latin, cor, "heart"); the heart, i.e.
(figuratively) the thoughts or feelings (mind); also (by analogy) the middle: --(+
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Why is it so wrong to you..YOU
think God is against it..wow congradualations what about the people who just aren't
attracted to the opposite sex..are they wrong for being born like that? you don't
understand obviously cause you don't have those feelings. turn the tables and pertend that
you were attrated to young boys..would you pretend..no. GROW UP. We are the ones who has
to report to the police where we live at for the rest of lives because of small minded
people like you!
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Sam
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What king of god, I wonder
would advocate violence against someone merely because they were born as a boy lover, I
myself am a man who loves a young boy and I know I did not choose to be as I am, as a
black or Jewish person does not, and they are not viewed as "sick" or
"perverted". I find your comments bigoted and offensive, and the only thing that
should be burnt at a stake is sad, small minded people like you who have been corrupted by
faith in a god that you dont know exists, and this "divine being" advocates
violence and killing? very very hypocritical
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Quote: How about this...
would you be willing to say for the record that killing homosexuals is wrong? Or are you
of a mind that Lev 20:13 applies and that therefore such a killing is justified? How about
it?
Lev 20:13. If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman,
both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood
shall be upon them.
Romans 1:32. Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are
worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
It says in Romans 1:32 that they which commit such things are worthy of it.
Lev 20:13 says they are worthy of it!
Until the Law was established sin was in the world and it was a nasty sinful place!
So much so that God Destroyed the World with a flood because of this very fact!
But God introduced the Law into the world so that no person can be justified in his sight.
So thru the Knowledge of the Law we learn what sin is.
The Law is Just! It is the Judgement of God which was placed there to teach us what sin
is.
Do we then make void the law through faith? No, we establish the law thru the Holy Spirit
which teaches us what Sin really is!.
Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law:
that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by
the law is the knowledge of sin.
Do I Condon Killing people NO!
Does the Law Condon Killing people who commits certain crimes in the Bible, Yes!
Does the New Testament make it of Null Effect Yes!
Are Christians under the Law! No we are under Grace, making the Law of null effect!
Is a non-christian under the Law, NO!
Are the Jews under the Law, NO!
Are either under the Law once they are told what the Law says, YES!
Shall they be Judged by that Law, Yes!
So Who is the Judge?
A Judge decides who is guilty of a crime and also sentences them.
I have no power to do neither and neither does anybody else except Jesus Christ.
Can I repeat what He said since He wrote the Lev 20:13, yes. It's part of the Law!
Am I casting Judgement when this is done. NO!
Are we to carry out the Judgement and stone people, NO!
Is not the end fate of the sinner worse then just being stoned, YES!
Do you wish to say the Law was Wrong or UnJust or is Hate?
Do we wish to remove the law so that the un-saved don't have the knowledge of sin?
Do we wish to remove the law so that more people can justify themselves and continue in
sin?
It's part of the Gospel message!
Why does a healthy man need a physician for? Only the sick have the need of a doctor. Do
you wish to destroy this?
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I am clearly disgusted by this webpage. I know this
is a forum where we are allowed to discuss how we feel about things, so I can listen and
accept what people have to say, but to turn around and call the hate the webmaster is
dishing out as being Christian is horrid! First, you attack men who love young boys and then homosexuals like they
have anything in common; They are just people who you don't want to piss off, they just
want to be treated like human beings. I can not fathom how you hate. Hate! HATE! and say
that it is in the name of God. Beating people, throwing bombs at doctors, cold-hearted
harassment. How is this what God wants? We are taught to teach the love Jesus came to show
us, not hate. Jesus did not hate. He did not beat homosexuals or child molesters , No. Jesus loved people. He loved all people. It was his job to teach
us to love, not hate, and I'm sure that he is crying to see people destroying lives and
using his name as their excuse to do it. You are sick, people! It is your job to love one
another, not to treat your fellow brothers and sisters like garbage.
This disgusting mentality sounds eerily like a group of people
that reigned more than a half-century ago. I think you all know who I mean... The Nazi's
had the same disgusting mentality you do, and they brutally murdered hundreds of thousands
of Jews because they weren't right. And I tell you, if what Hitler did was excusable in
your eyes, than you'll all be burning in hell, right beside his evil eeyore. I'll pray for
all of your forgiveness, because you know not what you do.
BTW Homosexuals has nothing to do with child molesters
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yeah God says being a man who
love young boys, etc. is wrong...but Jesus also said HE LOVES EVERYBODY...and you make it
sound like..homosexuals or child molesters ...go to
hell...and thats not your discision to say that. its Gods. you totally dicrminate against
men who love young boys here. thats so wrong. God doesnt want us to look down on ppl...he
wants us to pray for them...you went way to far here.....jeeze....and if sumone love young
boys, it doesnt mean you will go to hell. noone knows who will go to heaven and who will
go to hell. only God knows. i feel bad for any man who love young boys that goes on this
site. you make christainity sound bad. sorry for saying this but this whole page really
upsets me. im not men who love young boys or a women who love young boys. i am a strong
catholic. and i know men who love young boys ppl. and they are soo nice. its wrong what
you said....thats all....
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I am truly shocked that there
is a website dedicated to something so obnoxious. Why are you all so upset over homosexuals
or child molesters ? No one is asking you to partake in such acts
they are just asking you to accept their lifestyles, it isn't your business to agree or
disagree. You would think in this day and age people would be more openminded, and less
ignorant. Do you really think that it is your place to lay judgement upon any other human
being? Who do you think you are? How dare you! Doesn't Jesus preach to love your neighbor,
and not to lay judgement upon each other? Personally i am not a man who love young boys,
but i have close friends who are, they are good people, with good hearts and have no bad
will against anyone. They just want to be respected for the ways in which they live their
lives. IT IS THEIR LIVES NOT YOURS. You have no right, you are not above them, and you are
completely out of line. Why do you really have a problem with it? Are you afraid your the
same, are you that intimadated by things you don't understand? I'm ashamed to know that
people like you exist. You think your preaching the word of God, your really preaching
hate, and feuling fire that brings upon violence..i'd like to see you find God preaching
your kind in the bible. Get a life, and let people live their own peacefully.
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So what do you say to
these people? they don't listen and the Church in the USA is so Lukewarm about it Jesus
Christ will do more then spit them out of their mouths, hmm
GOD SAYS IT ALL IN REVELATION!
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is
poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with
fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day
nor night
Where does these people
get all of these lies from
1. The Religious Right is GUILTY of hate.
2. Then apologizes for this hate and then they will publicly denounces it.
stevesop.htm Main purpose is to remove from the bible
that homosexuality is a sin!
Sad Promoting and
encouraging young kids to choose the lifestyle.
Evil Casting that which is
Holy before the swine and the dogs, so that the dogs can leave like Scott Schalchlin and
attack Christians everywhere!
Or they will accuse you of
discrimination!
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What does the Church say, nothing!
The entire Church in this country is built upon the sand. The Baptist
churches preach over and over about the Blood. Want to see
the Blood, open up your bible for the first time in your life
and look in Matthew, SEE THE STUFF IN RED! That's the BLOOD!
That is what you build your house on. It starts with nothing else and ends with nothing
else. You are to do what he says and not just give lip service. We are tired of stale
whining Preachers who cannot preach from the words of what Jesus Christ said! We are tired
of listening to sermons about something they read from a bible commentary about the old
testament. We want and demand the BLOOD!
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me,
ye that work iniquity.
Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine,
and doeth them,
I will liken him unto a wise man,
which built his house upon a rock:
And the rain descended, and the floods came,
and the winds blew, and beat upon that house;
and it fell not:
for it was founded upon a rock.
And every one that heareth these sayings of
mine,
and doeth them not,
shall be likened unto a foolish man,
which built his house upon the sand:
And the rain descended, and the floods came,
and the winds blew, and beat upon that house;
and it fell:
and great was the fall of it.
Q: What's worse then going to hell?
A: Standing in front of Holy and Merciful God as a Christian and having
to answer to his Face for your Lukewarm self!
Either choose God or Homosexuality. PERIOD!
There is no middle ground!
How much MERCY do think God has?
Read Revelation!
REPENT FOR THE KINGDON OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND!
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Peace to you.
I am afraid that some of you misunderstand what is being said here by the webmaster. Jesus DID come to preach the love of God. He ALSO came to point out that we are ALL sinners and in need of forgiveness for those sins. It is the Word of God that condemns us, not the person who repeats what God has said. I can say, "If you are a murderer, then you are worthy of death", because this is what God has taught. It is not MY judgement, but God's. I am only repeating what He has said.
Jesus hung out with "known" sinners like tax collectors and prostitutes. When he called them to repentence, they readily admitted their guilt and asked for forgiveness, because it was easy to see that they had sinned.
Jesus saved his scathing denunciations for the religious leaders of that day. These leaders had rules and teachings and ceremonies and believed that, somehow, if they did everything correctly, then they were righteous in God's eyes. They were prideful and asked Jesus the same question you are asking: "how can you denounce US?" Jesus told them that while they presented a good appearance on the OUTside, their HEARTS were not repentent. Internally, they were full of SELF-righteousness. Their public life was all rosy, and they knew it, but they had sinned in secret places thinking that nobody else knew.
God has defined what sin is. Many of His rules are quite clear and His standards are perfection. Sinners are separated from God by their sin and will be assigned to an eternity in Hell. God is holy and can not tolerate sin and so, condemns those who live in sin.
Because God judges the HEART of a person and not their clothing or position or rule-following-ability, nobody is saved from condemnation by merely APPEARING to be a good or kind or loving person. Jesus came to make a way for REPENTANT sinners to be able to have enter into a relationship with God - as His children. Those who will not admit that they ARE sinners - or they admit it, but will not repent - those are the ones who remain condemned.
Do you see the difference? It is not the man (webmaster) who condemns the activity of having sex with children or having sex with people of the same sex as you. It is the Word of God. The man is telling you what God has said.
God said this to make you realize that you ARE a sinner and NEED to repent to be able to have a relationship with Him. God DOES love you. That is why he made the rules to show you the false ways of mankind. AND why He made a way for repentent sinners to be rescued from Hell.
Do you want to be a Child of God? Would you LIKE to be free of the feeling that you NEED to continue in whatever sin you are in? You can talk to God directly - or write to the webmaster. The man really DOES want to show you God's love. He just wanted to get your attention.
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