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| Webmaster | Posted: Saturday, July 27 2002 1:05 am
Post subject: Food for thought?
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| Food for thought?
When Jesus comes back he will first resurrect the dead in Christ,
then we which are alive.
Who are all these people???????????????
Next question is who are the servants?
What does a servant mean?
A Servant = A Slave, so who is the Master?
Is not a slave/servant us Christians?
Is not the Master Christ?
To be a servant do we not have to become a believer first?
Unbelievers cannot be called servants?
Why I'm saying this is that when I read about the good & bad servants,
the guest who didn't have on a wedding garment, the cleaning of his
kingdom in matt 13:41, the unprofitable servant that is cast into
outer darkness, the Sheep & the Goats, the servants who are beaten or
appointed a place with the unbelievers. in Luke 12, I have to ask who
are these people?
Did not the Jews read or was read to about what it said in the Old Testament?
Did not they believe that because they was Jews
and followed the Law that they was saved always.
All the judgements they read
which was clearly written for them in the Old Testament,
they read it as though it was meant for somebody else,
or the people who lives on the bad part of the town.
What about the judgements in the New Testament?
Are not they meant for us, to warn us?
Are not some Christians in this day and time guilty of the same thing
as the Jews was?
What about the ex-believers today who call themselves atheists
and promote their hatred for God everywhere?
What about the guy who was a believer, drove a church bus,
became a preacher, then quit and is now an atheist?
Are not these part of the Wheat & Tares which shall be harvested at the same time?
Are not the Tares the bad servants?
Are not the Tares the guest who didn't have on a wedding garment?
Are not the Tares the cleaning of his kingdom in matt 13:41?
Are not the Tares the unprofitable servant that is cast into outer darkness?
Are not the Tares the Goats?
Are not the Tares the servants who are beaten
or appointed a place with the unbelievers. in Luke 12?
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Who is the guest that was in the rapture or resurrection?
Matt 22:11. And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
Matt 22:12. And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
Matt 22:13. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Matt 22:14. For many are called, but few are chosen.
How did they get into the his kingdom?
Matt 13:41. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Matt 13:42. And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Does this not talk about the rapture? Who is the evil servant?
Matt 24:44. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
Matt 24:45. Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
Matt 24:46. Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
Matt 24:47. Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
Matt 24:48. But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
Matt 24:49. And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
Matt 24:50. The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
Matt 24:51. And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Who is the unprofitable servant that is cast into outer darkness?
Matt 25:13. Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
Matt 25:14. For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.
Matt 25:15. And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.
Matt 25:16. Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.
Matt 25:17. And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.
Matt 25:18. But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.
Matt 25:19. After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.
Matt 25:20. And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.
Matt 25:21. His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
Matt 25:22. He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.
Matt 25:23. His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
Matt 25:24. Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:
Matt 25:25. And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.
Matt 25:26. His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
Matt 25:27. Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
Matt 25:28. Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
Matt 25:29. For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
Matt 25:30. And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Who are the Goats?
Matt 25:31. When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Matt 25:32. And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Matt 25:33. And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Matt 25:34. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Matt 25:35. For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Matt 25:36. Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Matt 25:37. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
Matt 25:38. When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Matt 25:39. Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Matt 25:40. And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Matt 25:41. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Matt 25:42. For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
Matt 25:43. I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Matt 25:44. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
Matt 25:45. Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
Matt 25:46. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
This talks about the rapture first then breaks some of the servants down:
1st group:servant to appoint him a place with the unbelievers then first the servant has to be a believer?
2nd group:Who are the servants that are beaten with many stripes?
3rd group: But the servants who knew little shall be beaten with few stripes?
Luke12:46. The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
Luke12:47. And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
Luke12:48. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
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| Hitch | Posted: Saturday, July 27 2002 1:06 am
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User Location: Peoples Republik of Oregon |
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| | Every body knows the rapture came in the 1980s just as Hal promised. |
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| MHMD HSN | Posted: Monday, August 5 2002 7:05 pm
Post subject: Most End Times prophesies are just PLANs.
User Location: Malaysia |
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| Dear friend,
Do you know that USA is the most Islamic country with probably all its presidents are from the Peoples of True Islam kind? Islam that deceived mankind Muslims DO NOT know.
The world is dominated by peoples who call themselves 'the Peoples of True Islam' or 'the Enlightened ones'.
Please read my website at www.endera.info and you could see that Armageddon, tribulation etc are just falsehoods created by the so-called 'Peoples of True Islam'.
You would know who their Gog, Utopia etc.
The Rapture, just like Armageddon is a big falsehood.
Love you all. Bye |
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| Barb Alford | Posted: Tuesday, August 13 2002 2:42 am
Post subject: The rapture
User Location: Reno, Nevada |
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| | I happen to be one who believes in the pretribulation rapture, however, I also believe in being ready for anything. I figure that the LORD will come when He sees that it is time. Until then, He will see us through anything that we must face. Even unto death. We are living in times unlike any other in history. For the first time, it is actually possible to "mark" literally every human being on earth via microchips. Satellites make it possible to relay live pictures to the internet or TV, which will make it possible for people to see the two witnesses lying in the streets for three days before God breathes life back into their bodies. Israel is once again a nation! That's a big one right there. Jesus said He couldn't tell us the exact time/date, but he did say we could discern the season. When we see ALL these things happening (wars, earthquakes, famines, possible meteor strikes, ecumenism, false teachers/doctrines, the anti-God spirit that abounds) in unison we are to look up, for our redemption is at the door. Well, friends, it looks like we're getting pretty close. Remember, too, that the Word says that we are not appointed unto wrath. We are the bride of Christ and thus, why would Christ allow His bride to suffer the judgment of the tribulation? The tribulation is to bring judgment upon a defiant and vile world. All through the bible we see examples of God's people being saved from the hour of judgment: Noah, Lot, Rahab, Joseph, etc. We can also see two examples of previous raptures in Enoch and Elijah. They did not die but were, instead, transferred out of this world. All I can see is keep your eyes in the skies because I have a feeling we'll be seeing our precious Lord soon! AMEN!!!!! |
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| Tom | Posted: Monday, November 11 2002 11:35 am
Post subject: The word Rapture
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| You are correct; the word Rapture is not found in a Protestant Bible. The word Rapture is found in the St. Jerome Bible. Protestants have the word Rapture on the authority of the Catholic Church.
The word Trinity and Incarnation are not found on the pages of Scripture either. What does this all mean? Nothing. |
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| rick | Posted: Thursday, November 14 2002 7:14 pm
Post subject: rapture
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| | The bible tells us right where the rapture will take place. In Thessalonians 5 it tells us that the rapture will be as a thief in the night. It tells when in Revelation 16:15 when in between the vials of wrath Jesus inserts a reminder to keep the faith because he is coming as a thief. It can not be before the tribulation because it's after the sixth vial ! |
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| webmaster | Posted: Thursday, November 14 2002 7:30 pm
Post subject: Not disagreeing
User Location: Tobaccoville NC ,USA |
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| Revelation 16:14. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Revelation 16:15. Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Revelation 16:16. And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
Wouldn't this be the start of the Thousand Years Reign of Christ? |
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| Diana | Posted: Thursday, January 9 2003 1:34 pm
Post subject: Rapture-is a man made word
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| Rature?
Its a man-made word, never found in scripture.
A question to all who believe in rature...Why would Jesus lift us up and away from the tribulations to come, his word teaches us to trust him and in put on the armor of God, we are warriors for Christ, thru prayer and supplication he guides our paths. It sounds to me like rapture means a avoidance of whats to come, and i believe christians need to be prepared for battle. |
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| Boesman | Posted: Friday, February 21 2003 4:41 pm
Post subject: Does it matter?
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| Does it matter whether there will be a rapture or not or whether it will be pre-trib, post-trib or whatever?
Only ONE thing is important, that we accept Christ Jesus as our personal Saviour. Nothing else, just that.
Once we have done that we should testify, whether by mouth, by action or whatever means to teach the unsaved about the Glory of Christ and that He has died for them to. This is not done to achieve anything, but to worship the Lord.
All this arguments about rapture is just taking our eyes off our goal. All christians, whether they believe in the rapture or not, will go to heaven.
The enemy must be laughing, having us argue amongst ourselves like this!
God Bless
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| Goldie | Posted: Sunday, March 23 2003 9:06 pm
Post subject: "Rapture"
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| It is actually from the Latin translation that we get the word Rapture. The New Testament was written in Greek and translated into Latin in the fourth century. The Greek work "harpazo" means "snatched up". The Latin translation used the word "rapture" to describe this event known as the "blessed hope". It is not a convenient word that someone decided to use to further a cause. It is simply a different translation. The word "Trinity" is not found anywhere in the Bible either, but it is certainly taught. Many words used in the English translations of the Bible are not found in other translations due to difficulties in finding words that describe exactly the meaning of the word intended in the original language.
What needs to be remembered here is the glorious blessed hope that is awaiting all who believe the truth, not arguing over the translation of one word from Greek to Latin to English. If you doubt the translation of the English Bible then study Greek and Latin and Hebrew on your own and draw your own conclusions. But never diminish the Word of God to trivial arguements.
Believe...love...live...Amen
A Sister in Christ
Goldie |
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| KENNETH MURRAY | Posted: Tuesday, May 13 2003 3:01 pm
Post subject: teaching
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| Kenneth R. Sponburg | Posted: Friday, May 23 2003 10:14 pm
Post subject: Rapture and it's critics
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| | The word Rapture is not in the Bible, that is true. Neither is the word Bible, so I'm not impressed with this logic. There is nothing wrong with calling it the Rapture. The word Isa is not in the Bible, but that is the way Arab Christians say the word Jesus. And yes, the Bible is 100% supportive of a Pre Trib Rapture. Look around, the time is coming soon. Love ya all in Jesus' most Holy Name. |
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| Andre R. Anderson | Posted: Saturday, June 28 2003 3:34 pm
Post subject: What is the big deal about the word "rAPTURE"
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| | THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF WORDS THAT ARE BEING ADDED TO THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE EVERYDAY AND NOT JUST SLANG.SOOOOOO, WHAT IF WE INTERPERT THE WORDS BEING CAUGHT UP AS ONE WORD "RAPTURE" MY FAITH DOESN'T HANG ON ONE WORD. MY FAITH DEPENDS ON THE WORD OF GOD. THE BIBLE AS WE ALL KNOW WAS WRITTEN BY MAN AND INSPIRED BY GOD!!!!!! |
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| Dan | Posted: Tuesday, October 7 2003 11:44 am
Post subject: New Book on the Rapture
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| This new book is 669pgs and highly documented using the NKJV Bible and a mush read whether you believe in the rapture or not.
My review:Begulied by Rapture Deception
Beguiled by rapture deception is an invaluable source of information and a powerful witnessing tool, providing verses with easy to follow explanations that both scholars and laypeople can appreciate, requiring little more than imploring ordinary commonsense and reason.
This book examines the rapture theory in-depth as well as looking at many other commonly held Christian beliefs along the way in a quest for truth
from Geneses to Revelations. In order to understand the end one must first have an understanding of the beginning. Discover what really occurred in the Garden with Adam and Eve, who Cain is, and his offspring, the giants, the flood of Noah, where the dead are, heaven, hell and lake of fire, the mark of the beast, the seven seals, vials and trumps, those taken and those left behind, dinosaurs, evolution, tongues, faith healers, false prophets, prosperity teachings and much more.
If you believe in free will, thinking and expression, than this is a book for you as an intelligent and enlightening reference companion in Bible study.
Title:Begulied by Rapture Deception
Author:Mozanaim Crux
Publisher:1stbooks Library...available down load-soft & hard cover-Free pre-view....also at Amazon.com--Barns and Nobel--others |
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| Denny Aleksuk | Posted: Tuesday, October 14 2003 1:11 pm
Post subject: Rapture challenge
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| I have a kind-hearted challenge for anybody who may discuss the rapture amongst friends or anybody that may NOT believe in a pre-tribulation rapture. I admit I have a pet scripture that I pull out any time someone says that we’re going to go through the tribulation, or experience the mark of the beast coming into existence. No one has been able to shoot it down and I’m putting this in a friendly way so as to provoke some discourse on the subject, because to me this scripture says it all and anyone’s welcome to give some arguments against it. I just don’t know how a person could believe in anything other then pre-tribulation rapture in light of this scripture. In Luke 21:35-36, Jesus says:
35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
(Its kind of fun watching people shuck and evade what this scripture is plainly stating. And of course most of them have never read it. “What kinda bible’s he got”!)
Now, how on earth can this not be pre-tribulation? And even if it did go into the tribulation, (making it non pre-trib.) would it really matter in light of the fact that before it can get too heated, there will be those who “ESCAPE” and stand before the son of man? Sometimes I think heck we’ve come this far would it hurt to see this man called the anti-Christ come to power if we’re assured the we will be caught away before times get really tough?
The problem that I have with talking with most people is that they have no idea of just how bad things get (THEY DON’T STUDY). Just between two events alone close to half of the human race will be destroyed. But somehow these people will be protected. So it’s nothing to play with. Jesus said that it rains on the good and the bad alike. And yet you have these macho Christians that say that they’d resist down to death. Yea right, these people would be terrified to say that homosexuality is sin in the presence of more then three people. “I would never deny Christ,” they say. Hey isn’t that what Peter said. Haven’t we learned anything?
But seriously how can this mean anything other then pre-trib. Rapture?
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| Carlene Henderson | Posted: Monday, November 17 2003 12:44 pm
Post subject: why do we have angels
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| | why do we have angels when we have god? why cant he do everything by himself? not saying that angels are not doin a good job i just wanted to know why do we have angels? |
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| mathew annex | Posted: Wednesday, November 26 2003 3:09 pm
Post subject: order bibles
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| hi, dear sir/madam in lord
i am forwarding this mail in order to purhase 150pcs of KJVbible(hard cover)in ur ministry p/s calculate the totalamount and shipping cost to nigeria.this message is from nitional youth convention fellowship(NYCF).
yours -in-christ
pastor mathew annex |
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| jsut another Christian | Posted: Thursday, March 4 2004 5:08 pm
Post subject: Rapture
User Location: Crossville, TN USA |
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| What you say about the word RAPTURE is childish nonsense - the word "Rapture" is derived from the Latin word "rapturee" which is the Vulgate tranlsation of the Greek "HARPHAZO" (caught up) from 1 Thessalonians 4:17. The word "RAPTURE" as been in the vocabulary of The Church for 16 centuries.
The Greek equivalent word would be HARPHAZO, but no one is familiar with that word, so there is no reason to use it. RAPTURE is just the Latin for HARPHAZO.
We either have answered or can answer ALL your objections, and most of them are answered already on the "RAPTURE ANSWERS" sight listed below
"US" 1 John 4:6
Main site front page
www.apostasynow.com
The Great Dream Book:
WEB LINK
new Dutch language site
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Highly recommended reading from 1912: War On The Saints,
by Mrs. Jessie Penn-Lewis and Evan Roberts; the definitive
address to the Pensacola and Toronto "revivals"
WEB LINK
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a FREE service to our true friends in faith
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Kenyan ministries that we assist and support
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| just another Christian | Posted: Thursday, March 4 2004 5:11 pm
Post subject: Rapture
User Location: Crossville, TN USA |
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| What you say about the word RAPTURE is childish nonsense - the word "Rapture" is derived from the Latin word "rapturee" which is the Vulgate tranlsation of the Greek "HARPHAZO" (caught up) from 1 Thessalonians 4:17. The word "RAPTURE" as been in the vocabulary of The Church for 16 centuries.
The Greek equivalent word would be HARPHAZO, but no one is familiar with that word, so there is no reason to use it. RAPTURE is just the Latin for HARPHAZO.
We either have answered or can answer ALL your objections, and most of them are answered already on the "RAPTURE ANSWERS" sight listed below
"US" 1 John 4:6
Main site front page
www.apostasynow.com
The Great Dream Book:
WEB LINK
new Dutch language site
WEB LINK
Highly recommended reading from 1912: War On The Saints,
by Mrs. Jessie Penn-Lewis and Evan Roberts; the definitive
address to the Pensacola and Toronto "revivals"
WEB LINK
www.jacglobal.net
Just Another Christian Global Business Network
a FREE service to our true friends in faith
BRAND NEW AND SUPER DUPER!
Rapture Answers web-site
www.rapture-answers.com
Kenyan ministries that we assist and support
WEB LINK
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| Sharon Rose ††† | Posted: Monday, March 22 2004 1:47 pm
Post subject: Rapture prophecy
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| Mark 9:1
And he said to them,I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will
not taste death before they see the kingdom of God come with power.
Revelation 3
10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently,I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth.
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| michelle | Posted: Tuesday, May 18 2004 1:22 am
Post subject: caught up,transformed,translated,delivered,meet,
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In many verses of the Bible!
The words caught up,transformed,translated,delivered,meet,changed,gathered etc.
Are used!As you can see,several different words are used for Rapture.
The Rapture is when those who love Jesus go with Jesus Christ to heaven in a Twinkling of an eye,and those left behind will be forced to think weird explanations, like the millions who disappeared went into a ufo etc.
After the Rapture, the world will be in chaos immediately. Some people will be raptured while driving in their cars, causing the cars to crash. Some people will disappear while working the most important jobs in the country, and once they disappear, cities will be destroyed. Planes will crash, electricity will go out, and phone lines will be jammed for days.If you think THIS sounds bad, the Judgements are much worse. Dont Be Left Behind!
The human cycle that experienced Noahs Ark were swept away in the flood,and they all drowned!The chosen inside the Ark were saved from the wrath of God.
This human cycle also has a Ark to rescue us!The name of our Divine Ark is JESUS CHRIST.Now is the time to accept Jesus Christ into your heart,and repent of all sins!
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| lewis willard | Posted: Sunday, June 13 2004 2:33 am
Post subject: color picture of rapture taking place
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| tosan isaac | Posted: Thursday, July 1 2004 5:55 pm
Post subject: the Lord is coming
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| I bring you greetings from the lord in the wonderfull name of Jesus. May mercy and peace,and love, be multiplied unto you. I brought this to you as intructed by the Holy ghost.
Our king (Jesus) is returning and christians are looking forward for his returning. He promised to come again before he left. "john 14:4".You may ask when is he coming? jesus said only the father knows and he gave us some sines of his coming in matt 24, which we are expected to read and understand properly, by the holy ghost making the right explaination.
When he shall come, the bible says" the sky shall unfold preparing his enterances, the skars shall aplaud him with thunders of praise, the sweet light of his eyes shall enhances those waiting, the angels will blow a trumpet, those dead shall arise. Then those who remain shall be changes in a momemt putting off their terrestial body and putting on their celestial bodies. We shall behold him face to face'haleluyah' As the desciples saw him leaving in act 1:9-11, in the same manner our savour and lord shall descend in glory with the host and saints of heaven coming with him'praise God!' they that shall make it shall be joyous for ever," and will live with him for ever as he promised us.
Praise God! this is the word of the lord to you today. This put you into being happy or being sad and sorry for your self. check your self very well cos the king will come and his coming is very near. ask your self this question, will i make it?, will i be coughtup with him?, am i at this right track?, am i a desgrace to my christianity? or do i know Him?. bible say thoise who have fallen stand? those that stand take heed that ye fall not, those that don't know him it is time to know, those who have fallen return to him and he will return to you. most expecially those that know him not or now him and have backslided, i am asking you to return to righteousness. Unbelievers please repent and be converted, the lord is calling today for a day commeth that you may not be previledge to ascept him anylonger.
This word is not to comdemn any one But to exhort and remind us of His coming. jesus said like a thief in the night he will come "wash andpray" . Those who are waiting will not be taking unaware but will meet him and rejoice at his coming. God bless you and my prayer His that we shall all meet there in jesus name, Amen.
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| Tom | Posted: Monday, December 27 2004 6:52 pm
Post subject: The end is coming!
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| Jesus Christ is on the way back! You have better get prepared!
Jesus Loves YOU!!!!!!!!!
"He stands at the door and knocks!" |
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| Mark Cecchini | Posted: Wednesday, February 2 2005 9:29 pm
Post subject: Yes, Yes resurrection!
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| RAPTURE OR RESURRECTION?
In this study, scripture will prove that there is not a pre, mid, nor even a post supposed Rapture of any believer and that the church will in fact enter into the reign of the Antichrist and will be overcome by this beast and martyred. This document will discredit the Rapture Theory by showing the events which occur prior to the supposed Rapture, "with a trump of god" and "the dead in Christ shall rise first", happening at the end of the tribulation period. The Rapture is being confused with "the resurrection" which does involve the ¡§catching up¡¨ but of the ¡§dead", not living, once Christ has returned. The teaching that believers in some way will be protected either by a removal prior or a protection during the tribulation is contrary to scripture.
I Thess 4:16,17. "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord".
This above passage gives many clues in understanding the timing of those being "caught up". It is very important to understand if it can be proven that the resurrection, "the dead in Christ shall rise first", occurs at the end of the Tribulation Period then this would prove false a pre-tribulation Rapture.
Those who believe in a Rapture see the events occurring like this:
Dead in Christ arise - > Tribulation Period - > Second Coming of Christ
Alive/remain caught up
However scripture shows the following in relation to the resurrection:
Tribulation Period - > Second Coming of Christ - > Dead in Christ arise
Thus, the alive and remain would follow the dead in Christ after the Tribulation Period.
Those who believe in a Rapture read I Thess. 4:17 as follows;
The dead in Christ shall rise first: Then (in addition to) we which are alive (physically) and remain shall be caught up together with them (referring back to the dead which have been risen) in the clouds (literal clouds).
However the correct understand of the verse is such;
The dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we (referring back to the dead which have been risen) which are alive (now spiritually in our glorified resurrected bodies) and remain shall be caught up together [with them in the clouds].
The ¡§with them in the clouds¡¨ is to be understood as a group of individuals separate from those mentioned. As it will be shown, these individuals are his ¡§army¡¨ which accompanies him on his return. They are not literal clouds.
Also, most interpret the word ¡§first¡¨ as meaning that there are two separate events being mentioned. However the word ¡§first¡¨ is only confirming the fact ¡§in what order¡¨ the righteous are resurrected then after this the wicked. If the word ¡§first¡¨ was to be understood ¡§first this, then this¡¨ as setting off a sequence of events it would be grammatically placed at the beginning not at the end of the event.
Let¡¦s continue to prove this point by using scripture, scripture alone.
"The dead in Christ shall rise first". The resurrection.
When we study scripture, time and time again we see the resurrection of believers occurring at the end of the Tribulation Period. The bible does not teach multiple resurrections for the believers.
Dan 12: 1,2. "And there shall be a [time of trouble], such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time; and at that time thy people shall be delivered, everyone that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that [sleep in the dust] of the earth shall awake, [some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt"].
Above we see first "a time of trouble", the Tribulation Period, prior to the resurrection and the judgment of those which are asleep (or dead). This would put the "dead in Christ shall rise first" at the end of the Tribulation Period. Note that ¡§everyone¡¨ believers as well as the unsaved are judged at this time with the "dead in Christ" being first.
Matt 25:31,32. "When the son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit on his upon throne of glory: and before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats".
The same story as above: all, believers as well as the unsaved, are gathered and then judged with believers in the first resurrection then unbelievers in the second resurrection.
The key is to understand that in the last two verses it is "together" in which both believer and the unsaved are gathered and then judged. This clearly shows there is no extended time period between resurrections or judgments. Thus, the bible does not show or support a group of believers being resurrected nor judged at a previous time. Also note that it is not until after his second coming does Christ sit upon his ¡§throne of glory¡¨ and not before at some prior supposed judgement. Don¡¦t be mistaken, this throne of glory is the same as the ¡§judgement seat of Christ¡¨ and the ¡§Great White Throne¡¨.
Below, we see again both believer and the unsaved resurrected on the "last day". Notice the bible says "last day", not day(s), nor latter days. It would be a great error to claim this day is none other than what it says, the last.
John 11:24. "Martha said unto him, I know that he (Lazarus) shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day".
John 12:48. "He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one the judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day¡¨.
Now, let¡¦s go to one of the key verses of all¡K¡K.
I Cor 15: 20-24. "But now is Christ risen from the dead, and became the first fruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that our Christ's at his coming. then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom of god....."
Once again the sequence of events; Christ returns, then afterwards the dead in Christ rise and the end of this world comes with the appearance of the kingdom of God. Note, that when Christ returns here that it is followed by the "end" not a Tribulation Period. Also stated again is that we "all" die, there is no escape. This verse also questions the 1000 year reign as we see no gap between ¡§the end¡¨ and the appearance of the kingdom of God. (See my writing on this subject Millennial Kingdom; 100 years or eternity?)
Rev 20: 5,6. "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power..."
Clearly here the bible states that the first resurrection takes place after the Tribulation Period at some point and that this is the first and none prior (except Christ himself). Thus, it would be contrary to scripture to have another ¡§first¡¨ resurrection or a "catching up" prior to the Tribulation Period. Now, if you insist incorrectly in applying the phrase "this is the first resurrection" to those martyred in verse four you would still have a first resurrection taking place after a supposed pre-trib rapture. Either way the "dead in Christ will rise first" occurs after the start of the tribulation.
Rev 11:18 "And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shoudest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear his name, small and great: and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth".
Again, we see at the 7th trumpet at the end of the Tribulation Period both dead believers and the unsaved about to be resurrected and judged. Note that this occurs at the end of the Tribulation Period! not prior.
Rev 20:11,12 "And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and heaven fled away; and there was no place found for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God: and the books were opened: and another book was opened which was the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works".
Here above we see the first group of those before God, this is the first resurrection. This is the dead in Christ arising first. Why do we know these are believers mentioned here; their referred to as "small and great" which were those who "feared his name" in the above verse Rev. 11:18. We see them "stand" before god; Psalms 1:5 states that the ungodly will not stand in the judgment. The book of life is present; Rev 3:5 states the lord will confess the names of those written in this book, the ungodly have been blotted out. And yes, we are judged according to our works as for a reward which is supported by II Cor. 5:10 the same verse which those who claim a Rapture use to support separate judgements??.
A common misinterpretation is to take the phrase "and there was no place found for them" and apply it below to the dead, small and great. But it is speaking to which sentence it is found, to the old heaven and earth. Now let's see the second resurrection, the resurrection of the ungodly.
Rev 20:13 "And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works".
We know that these are the ungodly being judged but are these delivered here just those that happened to die in the oceans ect...hardly. The "sea" mentioned here is no ordinary sea but the abyss, the bottomless pit. We also see in Rev. 13:1 the beast rising up out of this sea which is earlier referred to as the bottomless pit in Rev. 11:7. He does not rise out of an "multitude of people" which has been incorrectly taught. Also, unlike the group prior there is no mention of the book of life and they are just judged according to their works.
We have clearly seen that the ¡§dead in Christ shall rise first¡¨ occurring at the end of the Tribulation Period. This would mean that the ¡§we which are alive and remain¡¨ being caught up must have to also happen at the end of the Tribulation Period and not prior !! This understanding alone discredits a pre or mid Rapture Theory, study it again for yourself!!
"With a shout, voice of an archangel, and with the trump of god".
The above signals an event about to happen, "the dead in Christ shall rise first" the resurrection. We first have clearly shown that the resurrection takes place at the end of the Tribulation Period both for the believer as well as for the wicked so these signals and sounds would also have to occur at the same time as well. Does scripture confirm this?
Voice
John 5:25,28,29 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. V28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in which all that are in graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation".
Above we see that the ¡§voice¡¨ spoken is associated with a resurrection of the dead in Christ not a Rapture. Also, again "all", good and evil, shall come forth and be resurrected at the sound of his voice not just the "dead in Christ". This is further support of the resurrection taking place at the end of the tribulation Period.
Trump
I Cor. 15: 51,52. "Behold I show you a mystery; we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be all be changed".
It is so hard to believe that there are those of the faith who use this verse to support a Rapture. First it states that ¡§all¡¨ shall be changed so are we saying that this means not ¡§all¡¨ but only those who are living on the earth at a certain time? Clearly not, for he is speaking of those which are asleep, dead in the grave. This is confirmed in the next verse with the dead being raised up. Furthermore, we see that it is at the "last trump" the dead in Christ are resurrected and changed and put on immortality. This "last trump" cannot occur prior to the Tribulation Period because seven trumpets still are yet to sound and thus would not be the last trump. Paul has been speaking of a resurrection for the entire chapter and now slips in one verse denoting a Rapture? Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die! (1 Cor 15:36). Let's study the 7th trumpet, the last trump.
Rev 10:7. "But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he declared to his servants the prophets".
Rev 11:14,15,18. "The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly. And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever...... and the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them that destroy the earth".
Why is the 7th trump the last trump? We see the mystery of God is finished; and most important it ushers in the Lord's return for he comes quickly (Rev 2:5,16,3:11,22:7). The trump of God is the last trump which sets the stage for a resurrection not a supposed Rapture.
We have seen that "with a shout, a voice of an archangel, and with a trump of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise first" clearly occurs at the end of the tribulation period, eliminating a possibility of a Rapture prior to the Tribulation Period. OK, but how do you explain the "alive and remain"? Who are they?
¡§Then we which are alive and remain"
Is Paul speaking here of "alive in the flesh" an earthly body? Why would he then speak this to those who he knew would be long dead and not be here at that time which he confirms in the next chapter?. Why would they care? They were concerned with those who were, "asleep", already dead and what would happen to them. Paul here is speaking of being "alive" after being resurrected!!.
I Cor 15:20-22 "But now is Christ risen from the dead, and became the firstfruits of then that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so all should be made "alive".
We see above the resurrection of the dead and then those made ¡§alive¡¨. We are made "alive" after death at the resurrection. This is the same in which Paul was speaking "the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive (after resurrection)".
Christ is the example¡K.
Rev 1:18 "I am he that liveth, and was dead; and behold, I am alive for evermore, amen...".
Let's now see if the dead in Christ which have been resurrected and made "alive" are those who now "remain". For the meaning of the word, "remain", the dictionary states: to be left after others have been subtracted, removed, or destroyed! Make sense, however if you hold to the Rapture and claim to be the "remaining" then who has been subtracted, removed, or destroyed prior to the Rapture? Scripture will show that it is after the resurrection the wicked are destroyed and the believers remain forever.
Proverbs 2:21,22 "For the upright shall dwell in the land, and the perfect shall remain in it".
Ezek 7:11 "Violence is risen up into a rod of wickedness: none of them shall remain, nor of their multitude, nor any of theirs...".
Matt 24:37-39 "But as in the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the son of man. For as in those days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day Noah entered the ark, and knew not until the flood came and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the son of man be".
It is very clear, the term ¡§alive¡¨ which Paul spoke of in Thessalonians does not give reference to those which are living in the flesh on earth at an appointed time but speaks of the state you and I will be after the resurrection.
In addition, below we see Paul address the church of the Thessalonians of those who have died before them and were asleep.
I Thess. 4:14 ¡§For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even ¡§them¡¨ also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him¡¨.
We now see Paul state that they too will be caught up with them. They will all rise together at the resurrection.
I Thess. 4:17 ¡§Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with ¡§them¡¨ in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord¡¨.
Lord descends from heaven - Second Coming
With a shout/voice/trump - 7th seal/last trumpet
The dead in Christ rise - The resurrection
Alive and remain caught up together in the clouds
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The Great tribulation „³ l The Eternal Kingdom of God
The church will be tested as stated in the letter to Laodice and we know that those who endure till the end and hold fast to the name of Christ during the Tribulation Period are not protected but martyred (Rev 6:9-11, 12:11, 13:7, 13:15, 15:2, 17:6, 19:2, Matt 24:9. Be comforted, we are protected from the second death.
Let me leave you the following scriptures, note that he commends the Thessalonians for enduring persecutions a church he previously wrote concerning a Rapture? Strange.
II Thess 1:4,5 "So that we see ourselves glory you in the churches of God for you patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the Kingdom of God...".
1 Pt 4:12,13 "Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trail which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto to you: but rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy". amen.
The dangers of teaching a Rapture
1. It inhibits those of Christ to study the book of Revelation. With an early escape, who cares what Revelation says we won't be here attitude! This thinking falls into the hands of Satan and his plan continues unabated. May I ask which book of the bible is the least read and most misunderstood? Rev 1:3 "Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the prophecy, and keep those things which are written there-in¡¨.
2. It breeds passiveness. The imminent return of Christ is supposed to make the church ready at any moment and give cause to witness, but does it? It actually teaches a second chance doctrine (purgatory) that if I don't get Raptured then at that time I will get right and do right. Why do we have the word today? Blood! The testimony of those before us gave their lives for the cause so let us not cheapen their work. The problem as mentioned in the letters of the seven churches in Revelation is that the church is composed of so-called believers, "luke warm" and thus it is why god will bring fiery trials upon it. It was reported in Russia that a group of masked terrorist stormed a church demanded that those who believed in Jesus would die and the others could leave, 80% left and then the terrorist took off their mask and joined in worship. Would the church today be more effective 80% less but 100% believers? Hey, 20% of the church gives most of the money anyway.
3. The parable of the evil servant, Matt 24:48-50. "But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, my Lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to smite his fellowsevants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;". We see above, a church member one who has tasted of the heavenly gift but has not truly been born again. Why do we know this; God calls him a "servant", the servant calls God "my Lord", and he smites his "fellowservant" (true believers). Will you be upset if the Rapture does not occur and Lord delays his coming and you then find yourself in the Great Tribulation?
4. Revelation's final warning, Rev 22:18,19. "For I testify unto every man that hearth the words of the prophecy of this book, if any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life..". The individuals spoken of above must of had some understanding of Revelation to be able to add or to take away to these things. Furthermore, would have to say that this warning would be greater to those in roles of teaching and responsibility due to the fact that this is a very strict warning which can do great damage resulting in major accountability.
5. Warning to teachers of this doctrine. Many teach the Rapture fully not understanding prophecy nor it's consequences. I too once believed in the Rapture until the holy spirit moved me to deeply study the bible concerning this doctrine. Imagine, Matt 24:7 happening and persecution is around the corner for the church and those looking up and saying; Why are we still here? Where is the Rapture? Why has the Lord delayeth is coming? Why pastor? Why teacher? Why have you told us this lie? What grief, what sorrow would that bring upon those teaching this false doctrine upon those it ministers and loves! What would be their outcome? Why take that chance, study to show thyself approved.
The dangers of not teaching a Rapture.
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Let¡¦s now take a look at another misinterpretation involving the ¡§Day of the Lord¡¨ and it¡¦s association with the supposed Rapture. The Day of the Lord is not the start of the Tribulation Period nor the Rapture. It is simply the return of Christ.
The Day of the Lord
Acts 2:19,20 - "And I will show wonders in the heavens above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke: the sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable Day of the Lord come".
If you believe that the day of the Lord commences at the Rapture, you are then saying we would go through the supposed 7 yr. Tribulation Period in complete darkness!
For above we see it is "before" the Day of the Lord the sun is blackened and the moon turned to blood. Moreover, we see the sun blackened and the moon turned to blood during the Tribulation Period at the sixth seal Rev 6:12! What, is the sun blackened and the moon turned to blood prior to the tribulation period and then again during the tribulation period? I don't think so.
I Thess 5:1,2 - "But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the Day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night".
Paul is speaking once again to the Thessalonians about the time table of those events in chapter 4 and that they will not happen until the Lord comes as a thief in the night.
Are you saying that you are taken by a thief? I hope not for you sake for a thief cometh not, but for a steal, and to kill, and to destroy John 10:10.
So when is the day our Lord returns as a thief in the night to kill and destroy? At the seventh vial at the end of the Great Tribulation, his second coming.
Rev 16:15-17 - "Behold, I come as a thief, blessed is he that watcheth, and keep his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. And he gathered them together into a place called Armageddon. And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air, and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying it is done".
Questions and Answers
1. Question: God has not appointed us to wrath which means the church cannot be present during the tribulation period.
Answer: Correct. God has not appointed the church to his wrath. Remember the true believers are overcome and martyred prior to God's wrath upon the earth. Notice below, that God's wrath comes in the last of the plaques which is at the very end of the Tribulation Period. The term ¡§Tribulation Period¡¨ is actually the reign of the False Prophet with God¡¦s wrath culminating his reign with great tribulation, his wrath. Notice that prior to his wrath the glass surrounding the throne is covered with fire, or blood, denoting those that gave their lives for Christ during this time. Also notice that in the beginning when John is taken to heaven that this glass was clear.
Rev 15: 1,2. "And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous, seven angels having the seven last plaques; for in them is filled up the wrath of God. And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name.....".
Rev 4: 6. "And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal.....".
Is this why now we see through a glass darkly; but then face to face which Paul spoke of in I Cor. 13:12 because there is a sea of glass between us and the throne?. Furthermore, what could also God's wrath compose of? What is the opposite of obtaining salvation? Eternity in hell, God's wrath forever.
I Thess 5: 9,10. "For God has not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ.
Rev 14: 10. "The same shall drink of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the lamb: and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever....".
2. Question: The word "church" never appears in Rev. Chapters 4-19 which means the church is not present and has been Raptured.
Answer: In the letters to the seven churches in Revelation, the churches are warned to hear what the spirit is saying to them and who overcomes are rewarded into the kingdom. Study the letters and you will see that many of these congregations are composed of false witnesses, non-believers! For example, in the church of Sardis that "many" have defiled their garments, Pergamos we see those holding to the doctrines of Balaam and Nicolatians things which god hates ect..!! The theme in these letters is that by "trial" and "overcoming" the church will be purified and the true saints be revealed. Why be warned to overcome if you are not to be here? The bible states during that during this trial some fall away, others are overcomers. Not all church members are saints, but all saints are overcomers! This is why we see the word "saints" used in rev 4-19 because not all of the church will overcome. Remember, "many are called, few are chosen".
The following scripture will reveal the twenty four elders who are around the throne. Note that the phrase "twenty four elders" is found in no other book than the book of revelation. Thus we will see scriptural evidence for the number "twenty four", where as there is none to signify it relates to the church.
Rev 21: 12,14. "And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and the names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of Israel:.....and the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the lamb".
12 + 12 = 24.
3. Question: Isn't the church raptured up to heaven in Rev 4:1 when John is taken up to heaven?.
Answer: The prophet Ezekiel had the same experience and his revelation are precisely the same as John's in the book of Revelation. Also in II Cor 12:1-4 Paul was caught up to the third heaven. There is no reason to conclude that typifies the Rapture. Remember John just spoke to the church to overcome, but now all of a sudden to be raptured? Seriously.
4. Question: In the letter to the church at Philadelphia God says he will keep them from the hour of temptation. Doesn't this mean that the church will removed from earth during the Tribulation Period?.
Answer: God does says that he will "keep from" the temptation, but he also says to them in verse 12, "he that overcometh". Why would they have to overcome if they are not present?. Also, how could they take thy crown away if we are not here? For that matter how can we have a "crown of life"? This is given to them that endure temptation! We will see from the following scriptures, that while the temptation is present he will keep those from, "falling", who keep the word of thy patience and they will receive a crown for doing so.
I Cor 10: 11-13. ".....whom the ends of the world are come. Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall. There hath no temptation taken you but such is common to man: but god is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it".
We see in the following scripture how we will be able to bear this hour and keep you from falling to the temptation; the holy spirit will allow us to bear it.
Matt 10: 19,20. "But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. For it is not ye that speak, but the spirit of your father which speaketh in you".
James 1:12. "Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he his tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him".
So now let's look at the letter to Philadelphia to see the understanding of keep thee from the "hour of temptation". Notice we see them having patience not to accept the mark of the beast. Thus, in the hour which they are to be delivered to death the holy spirit will give them power to overcome the temptation and they will receive a crown of life for doing so.
Rev 3: 10-12. "Because thou hast keep the word of my patience, I will also keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Him that overcometh.....".
We see this same teaching in Thess. It is ironic that this is the church he is supposedly teaching the "Rapture".
II Thess 1:4,5. "So that we see ourselves glory you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of god, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God.....".
We are counted worthy for enduring persecutions and tribulations!!!!!
5. Question: Doesn't it say that one will be taken, the other left? Isn't this the Rapture?.
Answer: If you look at the sequence of events prior to this you will notice that Noah entered the ark and the flood came and took them (ungodly) all away, this will be like the coming of the son of man. Do the godly represent them which were; eating, drinking, marring and giving in marriage?. In the following verses it likens his coming as a thief. Would you want to be "taken" by a thief? I'd rather be left thank you.
John 10: 10. "The thief cometh not, but for a steal, and to kill, and to destroy.....".
The ones which are taken are unbelievers and the ones which, "remain" ("the other left"), they are those which are the, "alive and remain", which Paul is referring in Thess. So let¡¦s see, in Matt 24:41 those who support the Rapture say they are the ones taken, in Thess. they say they¡¦re the ones which remain? Doesn't wash!
6. Question: In I Thess 4:16 it says he will come by himself, how can this be speaking of the second coming?
Answer: The word "himself" emphasizes that the Lord will be present, this in no way means that Christ is coming alone. We also see this emphasis in I Thess 3:11 and II Thess 2:16. Furthermore, just verses prior to I thess 4:16 we see references to his second coming in verse 3:13 and now later in chapter 4 he is talking about a secret coming prior to this? I don't think so.
7. Question: In I thess 4:17 it says that we should "meet them in the clouds". This must be different than his second coming.
Answer: Are the clouds literal clouds or are they something else? Can the clouds be the army of saints themselves clothed in fine linen, white and clean which were martyred and came out of the Great Tribulation? I think so. Let's see.
Ezek 38:9 - "Thou shall ascend and come like a storm, thou shall be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee".
Above is a picture of the armies which are to gather around Israel in the battle of Armageddon. Notice they are referred to as a "cloud" which covers the land.
Rev 1:7 - "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him; and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Now we see Jesus coming with clouds. Are these literal clouds? Or an army?
Rev 19:14 - "And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean".
A massive army arrayed in bright white descending from heaven would appear to be as a "cloud". Remember, Christ comes literally as a thief in the night as just prior the sun has been blackened, can you see normal clouds at night time??
8. Question: Jesus said that he will prepare a place for the church in heaven, so why will he not take us there?
Answer: Who said he wouldn't? His father's house is the "kingdom of God" which is in heaven, I hope you know the difference between the kingdom of God and the kingdom of heaven. Remember, there are no believers on earth as Christ pours out his wrath and returns for they have been overcome and killed by the beast Rev. 13:7. Furthermore, there is no Rapture but a resurrection which occurs at his coming I cor 15:21-23 and then we return in our glorified bodies alongwith the kingdom of God rev 21:2,10.
Dan. 11:33 ¡§And they that understand among the people shall instruct many.¡¨
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| juliedutton | Posted: Wednesday, April 20 2005 2:00 am
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| GM | Posted: Monday, May 16 2005 8:33 am
Post subject: Rapture? ...in the bible?? what version?? not KJV.
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| Rapture? ....
the word, " rapture" is not in the (bible) nor in the ( The New Compact Bible Dictionary. )
1. the word Rapture means: 1 a : a state or experience of being carried away by overwhelming emotion.
get that?... carried away by OVERWHELMINGLY emotion.
2. The Word "Rapture" in latin, means:raptus m. -us : 1. tearing off, rending away; carrying off, abduction, rape; plundering.
The 1611 King James Bible says, " caught up." 1 Thess4:17.
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1550/1894 Textus Receptus.
(KJV w/ Strong's) 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive (5723) [and] remain (5742) shall be caught up (5691) together with them in the clouds , to meet the Lord in the air : and so shall we ever be (5704) with the Lord .
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No matter how hard anyone tries, they can not get the word "rapture " out of the 1611 KJV bible.... unless they want to add or take away... When Jehovah God said (not to).
"For I testify unto that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add the plagues that are written in this book: 19. And if any man shall take away from the words of this book of this prophecy. God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things that are written in this book." Revelation22:18-19.
Have a nice day everyone and God Bless my Brothers and Sisters inChrist.
Working to Glorify Jehovah Gods Kingdom,
GM
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| ashley | Posted: Thursday, June 2 2005 7:02 pm
Post subject: rapture question
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| | is it belived that a rapture will occur befor the entire revelation process? as in before the 7 year treaty signing and everything? somebody told me jesus comes to earth 3 times..... once he already has, he will to rapture his followers starting revelation, then at the end of the revelation to set up his 1000 yr reign. is this accurate? As a Christain, would i be raptured before Revelation began? |
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| boanerges | Posted: Saturday, January 14 2006 12:11 am
Post subject: The Rapture vs. The Second Coming
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| 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
Those who are alive(The Born Again New Creatures)Christians are caught up in the Rapture with JESUS CHRIST in the air(clouds) before the Tribulation!
The Tares are gatherd by the Angels after the Tribulation for Judgment,and fire!
Here is a website with an Interesting chart,and scriptures!
GOD BLESS...
The Rapture vs. The Second Coming
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| boanerges | Posted: Saturday, January 14 2006 12:23 am
Post subject: Who Will Populate the Millennium?
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I Prefer the KJV,but this website is Interesting,and has insighful information with the Pre Trib Rapture!
The Rapture and the Second Coming cannot be the same event because if that were true, who would populate the Millennium? Consider the following:
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| boanerges | Posted: Saturday, January 14 2006 12:31 am
Post subject: Come Thither,and Come up Hither.
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| Come Thither,and Come up Hither.
Genesis 19:22-26
Haste thee, escape thither; for I cannot do anything till thou be come thither. Therefore the name of the city was called Zoar.
23The sun was risen upon the earth when Lot entered into Zoar.
24Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven.
25And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.
26But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt.
Do not forget those words, "...for I cannot do any thing till thou be come thither."
Proverbs 25:7
For better it is that it be said unto thee, Come up hither; than that thou shouldest be put lower in the presence of the prince whom thine eyes have seen.
Revelation 1:10
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
Revelation 4:1
After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven, and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me. which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
The last Book in the Bible is a perfect chronological picture of the prophetic end and the final word on the future. The Rapture occurs at the beginning of Chapter Four and the saints are never called the “Church” again. They are called “Elders” from Revelation Four until they become His “Army” when they return with Him to set up the Millennial Kingdom on earth,after the Tribulation!
We also see in Revelation 11:12 the Two Witnesses hear a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither.
Revelation 11:12
And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
Prophecy Today! Press The Link To Listen.
Are you Rapture Ready? I am
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Psalm 122:6
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| Tonya lloyd | Posted: Wednesday, March 1 2006 10:01 pm
Post subject: wormwood
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| I was listening to jack van ampe on t.b.n. and he mentoined about a star that hit in the ukraine called chernobyl, saying that it caused wormwood. I found info. on the nucler disaster in 1986 but nothing about a star. do you know anything about this star, i might have misunderstood Jack. He was saying that it was the third trumpet or seal , i can't remember his exact word's . Can you shine some light on this for me. thankyou.
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| Peggy Tucker | Posted: Monday, December 10 2007 7:25 pm
Post subject: Homosexuality
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| | What the bible says about homosexuals. |
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| keijo | Posted: Sunday, March 2 2008 2:10 pm
Post subject: Greeting!
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| "But you are a shield around me. O Lord; you bestow glory on me and lift up my head."Today the Lord has given his shield around us that be protect and find peace and meet him with enjoy and new power he will give daily and love and light with many talents and deeds for us that find
too our eyes to good and hearts,be his witness and help the men to Christ,pray for blessed revival soon,thanks and bless and hope,keijo sweden |
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